Because men and women have died in the war, given up time with their families, lost limbs and more, a war that IS winnable and necessary, and to simply put our tails between our legs and whimper home is the most dishonorable, unappreciative, and unfaithful thing we can do for their sacrifices.
And what of the many, many military families and members of the military who support Ron Paul and the other anti-war candidates? Are they disloyal for questioning not the military, but the government that commands the military? I appreciate our military's sacrifices; I hate that they had to make them because our government screwed up.
Sorry, but I belive freedom is something to be defended, even abroad.
But we've lost freedoms to defend freedom. They haven't had to attack us again for us to sacrifice liberties for the fear of another attack. I'm all about a good defense -- but the best defense isn't always a good offense.
The hostilities al Quaeda have toward us are not as simple as they hate our freedoms and they hate our way of life. They are hostile toward us because we can't. keep. our. noses. out. of. the. Middle. East. And we're hypocrites about it! Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia and we're best buds with Saudi Arabia because we want their friggin' oil. We're not trying to spread Democracy to them and they're more hard-core than Iraq!
And fine -- if we wanted to depose Saddam Hussein for his crimes against humanity, then that's noble -- but even if that were the case, we still should have hesitated to take out their infrastructure without really understanding the centuries-old lines drawn between groups of people there. When Cheney was the Defence Secretary he even said it would be a quagmire to invade Iraq!
But what about the genocide every day in Africa? We're not overthrowing governments over there! We leave the poor Africans to fend for themselves: because they are not a threat to us, nor are they of economic interest to us. Unlike the Middle East. And the Clinton Administration was ripped for sending troops to Kosovo...
Our Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and established this nation never believed that morality was irrelevant to its governing! Morality and Christianity ARE American core values.
Of course they didn't. But morality isn't strictly rooted in religion, though, which I talked about on your other thread, and the moral laws that do protect citizens and maintain law and order in this country are already in place -- perhaps too much in place in some cases. I might believe something is immoral, but that doesn't mean it has to be illegal. It's a waste of government resources to have to police personal moral issues that aren't infringing on other people's way of life. It's unnecessary big government.
And again, it's the Church's business to spread Biblical morality -- government has just become the Church's crutch because there are a lot of issues we're afraid to tackle head-on -- like the issue of homosexuality. The Church still isn't really comfortable dealing with hetereosexual issues, so now that homosexuality is open in our culture, the Church panics and tries to get the government to make Constitutional amendments about marriage so that we won't have to look at what we don't want to look at.
Jesus didn't have much to say about the government. He told people to pay their taxes to Caesar -- and I don't think anyone would dispute that American culture has nothing on the immorality of the Roman Empire. Jesus' ministry was about having dinner with prostitutes and other sinners. It was far more effective than any government could ever hope to be.
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Date: 2008-02-09 02:46 am (UTC)And what of the many, many military families and members of the military who support Ron Paul and the other anti-war candidates? Are they disloyal for questioning not the military, but the government that commands the military? I appreciate our military's sacrifices; I hate that they had to make them because our government screwed up.
Sorry, but I belive freedom is something to be defended, even abroad.
But we've lost freedoms to defend freedom. They haven't had to attack us again for us to sacrifice liberties for the fear of another attack. I'm all about a good defense -- but the best defense isn't always a good offense.
The hostilities al Quaeda have toward us are not as simple as they hate our freedoms and they hate our way of life. They are hostile toward us because we can't. keep. our. noses. out. of. the. Middle. East. And we're hypocrites about it! Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia and we're best buds with Saudi Arabia because we want their friggin' oil. We're not trying to spread Democracy to them and they're more hard-core than Iraq!
And fine -- if we wanted to depose Saddam Hussein for his crimes against humanity, then that's noble -- but even if that were the case, we still should have hesitated to take out their infrastructure without really understanding the centuries-old lines drawn between groups of people there. When Cheney was the Defence Secretary he even said it would be a quagmire to invade Iraq!
But what about the genocide every day in Africa? We're not overthrowing governments over there! We leave the poor Africans to fend for themselves: because they are not a threat to us, nor are they of economic interest to us. Unlike the Middle East. And the Clinton Administration was ripped for sending troops to Kosovo...
Our Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and established this nation never believed that morality was irrelevant to its governing! Morality and Christianity ARE American core values.
Of course they didn't. But morality isn't strictly rooted in religion, though, which I talked about on your other thread, and the moral laws that do protect citizens and maintain law and order in this country are already in place -- perhaps too much in place in some cases. I might believe something is immoral, but that doesn't mean it has to be illegal. It's a waste of government resources to have to police personal moral issues that aren't infringing on other people's way of life. It's unnecessary big government.
And again, it's the Church's business to spread Biblical morality -- government has just become the Church's crutch because there are a lot of issues we're afraid to tackle head-on -- like the issue of homosexuality. The Church still isn't really comfortable dealing with hetereosexual issues, so now that homosexuality is open in our culture, the Church panics and tries to get the government to make Constitutional amendments about marriage so that we won't have to look at what we don't want to look at.
Jesus didn't have much to say about the government. He told people to pay their taxes to Caesar -- and I don't think anyone would dispute that American culture has nothing on the immorality of the Roman Empire. Jesus' ministry was about having dinner with prostitutes and other sinners. It was far more effective than any government could ever hope to be.