Cap & Trade: Get on the phones!!

[fantastic_jackie]

If this is passed, the United States will fundamentally change as we know it. I am dead serious. This is an unprecedented power grab.

Read through the links; I haven't had any time to complete my post about this, but it is SERIOUSLY. BAD. NEWS. For the economy. For your taxes. And for our freedoms in this country. You think you lost freedoms under Bush? Wait until this gets passed!

There are representatives on the fence still! The NATION is on the phone to Washington - CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES!! Mine is one of the ones leading the charge against it.

Forget parties! Forget the environment. This is NOT for the environment. The projections are that it could lower the temperature by .05 DEGREES in 2050!!! This is NOT about the environment! It's about the government taking unprecidented control over business and ENERGY, about under-the-table deals between the government and giant corporations, about bribes that have been caught on tape for representatives to support this legislation! It is a GIANT HIDDEN TAX!! That will COST us more jobs than it will create!! Just look at Spain!!

I am at work. I can't get on the phone anymore. This is ridiculously important. Call them NOW. The pressure needs to increase and stay at volume! They were talking about shutting down the communications at one point! The Republican minority leader was doing the House version of the filibuster over this!

These links to forum topics have all the information you need; I don't have time to neatly compile it for you.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1528131 - Skip to the last pages.
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1528811

Watch it unfold on C-Span

ETA: It passed. Now it's on to the Senate. All hail the government; we bow and grovel at their wiser-than-thou wisdom and money-lined pockets.

Goodbye American Business. The House just passed the bill that will really make the people complain about outsourcing jobs.

In the middle of a recession. Tch. GE is literally jumping for joy now...

Comments

[godricgal.livejournal.com]

It astounds me that anyone can still take this position. Let's just pretend for a moment that there is still a measure of doubt that human activity has resulted in atmospheric change which has caused temperatures to rise and say that there is a ten or twenty percent chance that it is true. Is that really a risk you want to take? Is it really?

To not do anything is at best burying your head in the sand and leaving it for the next generation to sort out, and at worst, selfish and lazy.

I haven't seen anyone present an argument against climate change that hasn't hinged on economic points: it'll cause job losses, it'll mess up the economy, it'll cost too much money. And it makes sense that it's the Republican quarter who are saying this, but it's not an economic issue, it's a social one and that gives each and every one of us responsiblity in both cause and solution.

[adaon6.livejournal.com]

Well, I tried to make the case based on global warming is scientific but that failing I do have a couple other points on the matter. (I pruned this down a bit to things I have seen or could directly source).

Did you know that one of the weather stations that showed a high movement of temperature that skewed the averages went from being a grassy area that absorbs heat to a paved one that reflects it and gets much hotter?

Did you know that one of the stations that showed a high movement upwards had a air conditioner exhaust put in next to it?

Did you know that that the increase has only been measured in surface temperature, not atmospheric temperature? Average surface temperature has changed .6 to .8 degrees C, but like any average if you were to throw some improper numbers in it the result changes. Balloon and satellite measures do not show this change. I direct you to NASA as a source: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1.htm


Did you know they lied every chance they got in the wake of a big hurricane season a couple years ago claiming global warming was causing stronger hurricanes? They never found an actual hurricane expert to say that, it was always a "global warming" expert to say it. Having lived in the path of multiple hurricanes in one year this one really hit home.

I don't trust the people who make the claims, they lie too much. I'm well researched on this, I happen to be a former believer in global warming. All my Saturday morning cartoons raised me to believe there was such a thing. I couldn't believe anyone would say something else. Until I realized who was arguing with science and who was arguing pay no attention to the science.

If there is any part you would like me to spend more time on I would be happy to. I could also give you a book referral if you would like to spend more time on this. :)

[godricgal.livejournal.com]

The results of any study must be scrutinised, it's credibility assessed and a conclusion drawn about its academic veracity. I do not have time to look at the one you have directed me to or to look into the others, but they are just as likely to be affected but outside factors as any other study.

Not sure who the mysterious 'they' are, but there are currently 183 states (that was correct in April) signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which, whatever you think about the terms of the protocol, demonstrates a significant level of concern among a very significant number of countries, all of whom have presumably conducted their own research into the existence of climate change, and have concluded that it is, indeed, enough of a concern to take the step to sign. If you are suggesting that all these governments are in on it together is some sort of grand conspiracy, then it would be the greatest demonstration of international cooperation in history.

I, too, am well researched on this, and I thank you for the offer of a book, but I have just taken fifteen on the topic back to the library, so I'm good for now. ;)

Am disappearing now, not ducking out the debate. Have got to catch a train to London in an hour.

[adaon6.livejournal.com]

Have a safe trip.

Ironicly Kyoto was one of the things I pruned because I didn't want to go find my old sources again. Almost every country under Kyoto stays almost the same, or has room to grow under it. The US would be the largest exception which would be the only country called upon to make a major sacrifice. The net result would be that the US would buy carbon credits from other countries. Who would have them to spare? Africa.

It's a payoff to the largest voting block on the UN. It's a tax and redistrubute by another name.

No I don't think it's a "grand" consperiecy among every country, I think it's the same people who won't read a 300 page ammendment and still vote yes on it. They just accept the word of a couple of people as absolute truth.